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  1. Set 3 Rule Updates - Layman's edition

    Alright, we got hit by a LOT today in the rules update. There's a lot of confusion going around on what cards actually still work, what cards were affected and how some of these new effects actually work. As such, I'm going to bring back my old "What Does It Mean?" series (which I truthfully only did 2 posts of) to try and filter some of the confusion. So where to start. We'll start simple and ramp up from there: Erratas There were 2 important Errata today, in preparation of set 3 releasing. These are now added to the previous errata, which changed Divine Aide Vados, Boost Attack Piccolo, Trunks Protector of Children and Dodoria, The Emperor's Assistant to include the new "Super Combo" keyword. All of these Errata will come into effect on March 9th, the day that set 3 releases. Mind Controlling Babidi (BT2-022) - In light of the new red 4 drop Trunks card which lets you play a card with power 15000 from your hand, Babidi has been errata'd to read "If you have 6 or more red energy, when you play this card...", to ensure Babidi cannot be played prematurely with such a powerful effect. Not only that, but since your energy have to be red, it severely limits Babidi's usefulness in multicolor decks, aside from those using SS Vegito leader. Think's He's the Best Hercule (BT3-044) - in what is the first pre-release errata NOT related to a printing error, Hercule's Auto has been changed from 2 sentences to a single one with a comma. This was necessary because as Auto's have been clarified in the past (re: Mecha Frieza set 1 and Psych Up Gotenks), Autos that trigger on play generally are resolved "as much as you can" sentence by sentence. This would have made Hercule very powerful in non-Buu led decks, as the first sentence would do nothing and the second sentence would give them 2 energy with no downside. Rules Manual Ok, so the next section is the rules manual. As always there are several things here that were updated for simple wording fixes, but there are a couple big things to pay attention to. 3-1-7-1 - A quick housekeeping rule based around cards that take control of other cards (Black has a few of these). If a card would go to an area other than battle or combo, it always goes to its OWNER's area. This means if you take control of a card it will never go to YOUR hand, discard, warp, remove from game or deck. 6-3-1-2-2-1 - When an Activate Main skill is declared it opens a counter window. This will be discussed below under "New Counter Timings" 9-5 - New ruling regarding cards whose battle power is reduced. If a card's battle power is reduced to zero or less it is KOed. 10-2-5 - If a leader card is flipped due to awaken, any continuous effects affecting its POWER are retained. This is one of 2 new rules that eliminates all floating effects on cards that are Flipped, Evolved or otherwise overlayed, except for effects that alter Power. (Ex. If you draw a life card with SSB Vegeta leader to gain Critical and then awaken, you do NOT retain critical on his Awakened side) 10-10-3 - The counter timings have been updated. There are now TWO timings when activating abilities that would draw a counter, one when the skill is activated and then another when the skill is resolved. This will be discussed below under "New Counter Timings". 10-18 - I point this out, because it's going to cause misplays early on. When a card is played via Xeno-Evolve, unlike standard or EX Evolve, the new card played COUNTS as a new card. It does not retain position or power bonuses that were affecting the card that it evolves from. This is because it is not placed on top of the old card, the old card is sent to Warp. Meaning the Xeno-Evolution comes into play in active mode with no prior effects carried over. (This is confirmed by the Xeno-Evolve section in the Q&A) Most of the rest is just definitions of the new terms. Q&A Yeah, going through the Q&A is time consuming and tedious, luckily they started marking new entries with "NEW" so we know WHAT was added. I'll try and touch on the major things: "GAME Q&A - Skills" Q17-Q22 in this section reiterate updates to the Rules manual discussed above for 10-2-5 and 9-5) "GAME Q&A - Keywords" Counter - Q7-Q9 Mostly more questions about the new counter rules, see below under "New Counter Timings". Q9 outlines the info about using Bad Ring Laser and that you can't start activating more once one the chain starts resolving. Union Absorb - Q9 - If you place a card on top of a card whose effects have been negated does the negation carry over? No it does not. As with the new Evolve/Union rules above, ONLY Power modifications carry over. (Ex. You play Goku 1 drop, opponent uses CBL to negate its effects. Then you play another Goku on top using evolve, the newly evolved card is not Negated, as it has been in the past) Barrier - Notable because it confirms 2 things: 1) Barrier ONLY applies if the opponent's effect SPECIFICALLY says to "CHOOSE" a card. 2) Even if YOU are the one told to choose a card, if it is your opponent's effect you MAY NOT choose a card with Barrier (i.e. your opponent attacking with Awakened Broly leader). The majority of the remaining GAME Q&A additions outline and confirm rulings discussed above. "CARD Q&A - Starter Deck 3" Bardock - If his power puts 2 non-black cards in the drop, do you get +10000? No. His power says if you put any non-black cards in the drop you get +5000, but this does not stack if multiple of the 3 cards are non-black. "CARD Q&A - Set 1 Booster" Jeice - Confirming that you can draw cards one by one and stop at any time. You don't have to declare how many you are looking at when it activates. Cold Bloodlust Q1-8 - This outlines the new counter window structure for cards that are played due to skills. Read more about that below under "New Counter Timings". Crusher Ball - Reiterates everything mentioned under Cold Bloodlust. "CARD Q&A - Set 2 Booster" Mostly just reiterations of things discussed above. "CARD Q&A - Set 3 Booster" I'm not going to go through all this, I'm just going to mention one card that was the subject of scrutiny early on. If you have specific questions about the new cards just ask. Dauntless Spirit Vegeta SSB (BT3-060) - Q3 When is this card considered to have "dealt damage'? After Vegeta is the winner, before damage is actually dealt. So you can discard for his auto to give him crit before damage is actually drawn when he attacks. "CARD Q&A - Promo" No big additions with the new cards. Just generic reminders of normal rulings. Ok, that's about it for erratas and updates, but, as promised several times above, we're going to go through the new Counter timing for cards played via Skills. NEW COUNTER TIMINGS Via the new rules and clarifications listed on the site, there are now TWO counter windows when a card is played via a Skill. As stated, this ONLY applies to cards played via skills. Examples of these are Evolve, Union, Babidi, new GT Trunks, etc. If you are simply playing a card from your hand as a Main Step action by paying its normal cost these new guidelines DO NOT APPLY. As normal with those types of plays you just declare and pay for the card, counter window, then play the card to the field, as it has always been. Now, the new ruling is that you may activate a Counter: Play effect at 2 separate times when a skill would bring one or more cards into play: 1) When the skill is activated(before it enters play) 2) After the skill resolves (after it enters play) The main distinguishing feature here is that if your counter negates the card's skills and you activate your counter during the second counter window, the target still gets to use any Auto skills that trigger (When this card is played...). To illustrate, lets look at the example of Babidi: Player A declares they are playing Babidi and pays 6 energy Normal Counter: Play Window for Babidi Babidi enters play, triggering his Auto ability (Look at the top 7 cards of your deck, choose 2 red cards with cost of 25000 or less and play them) Counter window 1 Play the cards you chose Resolve any "When Played" autos on those cards Counter window 2 So, what happens when you play a counter to negate? As stated above and in the example, if you play the counter in window 1 it negates all the cards skills, including the "When Played" autos. But in counter window 2 they get their autos but everything else is negated. So here are some other common interactions to looks out for: Crusher Ball - So here is when it gets more important to know the difference. Playing a Crusher Ball in window 2 will have absolutely NO effect, since the card has already entered play. Crusher Ball MUST be played in counter window 1, when the skill is activated and before it enters play. Evolve (standard, EX and Xeno) - These new counter windows largely have no effect on any of the Evolve skills. You must still declare your intent to evolve, at which time a counter window opens, you play CBL or CB and then the card enters play. A new timing window opens after Autos are resolved for you to play another Counter Play, but that interaction is mostly useless in this situation. Union Absorb via Cell - Cell is quite complicated when factoring in the new counter window. Here are the different interactions with Cell, depending on when you play Cold Bloodlust: Growing Evil Lifeform Cell (3 drop) - Union Absorb Counter Window 1 - Played after opponent declares Union and puts an A17 under Cell, if player searches and chooses a Cell it is negated. However, the opponent may choose not to evolve (choosing 0 since the skill says "Search for up to 1 cell"). In that case, they may then Activate this skill again by putting another A17 under it and the process starts over. Counter Window 2 - Played after opponent declares Union and puts an A17 under Cell and they have already searched their cell and placed it on top. Resolve the Cell's new "When played" auto, then play CBL to negate the rest of the card for the turn. Evolving Evil Lifeform Cell (5 drop) - Union Absorb Counter Window 1 - Played after opponent declares Union and puts an A18 under Cell, if player searches and chooses a Cell it is negated. However, the opponent may choose not to evolve (choosing 0 since the skill says "Search for up to 1 cell"). In that case, they may then Activate this skill again by putting another A18 under it and the process starts over. Counter Window 2 - Played after opponent declares Union and puts an A18 under Cell and they have already searched their cell and placed it on top. Resolve the Cell's new "When played" auto, then play CBL to negate the rest of the card for the turn. I think this covers just about everything. Any more specific questions or if you find some mistake I made just let me know and I'll address it. ~Stryyder
  2. Set 3 Masked Saiyan Aggro

    Which red Goku are you talking about?
  3. https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=D3udvmraQXQ themed for each color Red - GT Baby saga Blue - Buu saga Green - Android 13 Yellow - Dragonball Black - Xenoverse 2 also some DBS mixed in including Ultra Instinct. set focuses on Overrealm and evolve. at least 2 new ways to evolve: EX Evolve - pay an energy cost, discard cards and your evolution target must be a certain cost or above. Xeno Evolve - send your evolve target to warp
  4. Set 3 official preliminary info commercial

    Why do people still keep saying black is colorless? IT IS BLACK. BLACK IS A COLOR. (in the art world technically a shade, but in card games a color) "Black is colorless" is a false statement any way you look at it. There just aren't any cards currently that require black energy. There is no rule yet saying you CAN'T build a straight black deck and the statement they made is ambiguous. We'll have to wait for the new rule updates at the end of the month.
  5. Set 3 Leader Opinions

    in a vacuum they all seem interesting but inelegant. With some look at the cards in set a couple stand out: Green Vegito - Bad. Yes Green has a great destruction engine, but you get choked by a single indestructible, possibly Barrier (though I doubt Barrier will protect against cards unless they SPECIFICALLY say "choose", so there are plenty of green outs there, Kale chief among them). Blue Goku - with the power of new Goku cards, particularly UI Goku, this guy can be nuts. Personally I think Mecha Frieza engine is better with Objection/Monaka, but this guy will see a lot of play.
  6. R/G Gotenks

    Blocker in general is not a required skill. It is good and can help you stall in certain decks, but when going full aggro it is not always necessary. Cabba Evo is OK, but there are plenty of better plays later in the game. Just having the one drop is usually enough. He's a great early play for quick pressure and self awakening and late game is cheap enough to drop a couple and hit your opponent with several unexpected double strike threats.
  7. To comment toward the actual topic of this thread, if you read the set notes for set 3 they say the game is very much not dead. Set 4 is finished and they are currently working on set 5 already. That takes us to nearly the end of the year.
  8. Set 3 – Cross Worlds Set Theme - Dragon Ball Worlds, Xenoverse, Story of Bardock, etc Release – March 9, 2018 Starter Decks: 2 starter decks: The Extreme Evolution (Kid Goku, Red); The Dark Invasion (Masked Saiyan, Black) 50 card deck + leader card 5 Exclusive Starter Deck only cards per deck Special Pack: 4 booster packs and 1 promo (Bardock/Masked Saiyan) Booster Packs: 12 Cards per pack 60 Commons (foil and non) - 8/pack 30 Uncommons (foil and non) - 3/pack 18 Rares (foil) 2:3 packs 14 Super Rare (foil) 1:3 packs 4 Special Rare (foil) 1:72 packs 1 Secret Rare (foil) 1:288 packs Dash Packs: (bonus for buying boosters) 1 of 4 exclusive promos New Dragon Ball series and games explored: Red: Dragon Ball GT (Rilldo/Baby sagas) Blue: Dragon Ball Z Buu Saga Green: Dragon Ball Z Android 13 movie & Dragon Ball Super tournament of power Yellow: Dragon Ball origins of Goku Black: Xenoverse 2 Masked Saiyan arc
  9. Set 3 - Cross Worlds - Information thread

    Building hype. they did it in set 2 as well, but had problems with shops cracking the packs and selling the cards.
  10. Mono G Broly - Literally Saiyan Style

    Honestly against Zamasu, it may be recommended to go full turtle once they awaken. the 10 drop is going to knock down your life cards if he gets it out, so best to stall as much as you can so they draw out. Got one down to 5 cards last weekend, just couldn't get the last attack to stick once they got negate-Zamasu and Black Rose out.
  11. Set 3 - Cross Worlds - Information thread

    Looks I was mistaken, they just won't have SCR or SPR. They can still contain SR.
  12. Set 3 - Cross Worlds - Information thread

    A bit of new info above. Also, some interesting news, special packs of series 3 will be given out at Store Championship events throughout February. These packs will NOT contain any cards above Rare.
  13. Well, we may be up to our elbows in spoilers come this weekend. Stores are starting to confirm new "Store Championship" kits arriving with packs of set 3 as prizing. These packs are to be used in the remaining February weeks and are meant as a prerelease bonus. Oddly enough this event isn't on the DBS website. There's a catch, though. According to an accompanying document from Bandai, these packs have been specially printed to NOT include any cards higher than a rare. So while we'll get a good look at about 85% of the new set, we'll have to wait for proper spoilers to see all the juicy SR/SPRs as well as the highly sought SCR.
  14. Mono G Broly - Literally Saiyan Style

    Vegeta is ok, but for those trying to awaken early Tien works much faster, and considering you can combo him into play helps as well.
  15. Starting Now

    Crit vegeta has won at least 1 regional. He's been solid since the beginning.
  16. SSGSS son goku able to b/y?

    Yellow may become pretty clutch in set 3. A lot of decks are going to want to play bad ring laser. But it's pretty hard to push into a deck, considering it also requires a yellow card in hand to use.
  17. Mono G Broly - Literally Saiyan Style

    Yeah, Tien is clutch for awakening in mono green. As well, if you are playing any black it feeds your drop to overrealm as well.
  18. Set 3 official preliminary info commercial

    I've seen a lot of games where new sets sort of add to the meta, maybe kick a deck or two out, but most stay good and are bolstered by some new cards. This set has so much to add that it is going to COMPLETELY alter the meta. Some leaders will still be good from old sets, but archetypes are going to switch around a LOT.
  19. Set 3 official preliminary info commercial

    More new info from website, 2 new abilities: Barrier - this card can't be chosen for your opponent's effects. (Essentially hexproof) super combo - you may only have 4 cards with "super combo" in your deck. (All 4 0+0 combo cards from set 1 have been erratad to have this and there is a new Black Towa 0+0 with this on it in set 3)
  20. Warp and black cards

    Honestly I think the new Vegito takes the place of HTSTD in anything other than a Babidi summon. Dual attack, crit and on his second attack double strike. Too good. Plus the new Trunks can search him out, but he can't search HTSTD.
  21. Warp and black cards

    Xeno Trunks tends to feed back into OR himself. Just play him with OR, then attack with leader and combo Trunks to be 1/3 of the way toward playing another in a future turn. Gotenks as well, since you send the cards needed for Fusion to the drop area. Tien feeds the drop area and is used by many decks to awaken. Mecha Frieza seems to be the best best, since he plays a ton of extra cards so drop area is often heavy, plus scrying helps the deck be more consistent.
  22. Expansion Set Reveal!

    Haven't used or seen it used yet. Just picked up my sets. Local store had them up at $20 a piece, so I grabbed a couple villain sets to make up the difference.
  23. Starting Now

    About the only promos worth anything right now are Gohans. The Green one from TP2 is ridiculous in price but the BCC one isn't bad. What you really need is to pick up a few boxes of set 1 to get your blue staples. Androids are about the only deck that doesn't really need them, but if you want to make any deck other than androids you will need sets of 1 drop buu, Whis Coercion, Objection, Bulmas, Whis, boost attack piccolo, etc. They are all common and uncommon, but still $1-3 a piece, so it adds up.
  24. The Naruto CCG

    I stopped watching Naruto during the Chunin exams, just got bored. Tried playing Bandai DB, which was at heart a clone of Naruto CCG, didn't care for it. Nothing really interesting for me.
  25. Expansion Set Reveal!

    There's definitely some problems with this release: 1) reports of single printing. Distros are saying that there is no current word about a second printing, but that could change at any time Bandai decides. 2) Some shops are buying up all the stock. PPG got a lot of shade for this. They got 1000 packs. Problems here include the fact that a LOT of shops in the south weren't able to get any because of it; they likely set enough aside for all of their "sponsored" players to have foil playsets; and the fact that they cracked a bunch of them to sell as singles online (which has driven the price of Xeno Trunks alone to almost $20). 3) Online pricing is misleading. I've heard a lot of shops dropping these for $25 for WALK IN customers based on sites like TCGplayer. The problem here is that if you look at all the listings on TCGplayer (for hero set anyway, villain set is going nuts due to Trunks) all of them say "shipping included". So considering the shaped an weight of the packs, you take out $6-8 due to shipping and you are back down to MSRP. Not to mention TCG player aggregates secondary market prices and using them to price things for PRIMARY market (where nothing has changed as far as the seller's cost) is super shady. One of my locals is finally going to get some of them in tomorrow, I'll see what they do (I'm guessing they will try and charge $20, they started at $100 for DBS boxes, before people pointed out they were 24 pack boxes).