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The idea of you opening a comic shop is great but instead add other drinks like soda, water, Gatorade and snacks such as chips fruit gummy worms etc i love the idea of a place to chill out and relax but with this you could attract kids too... yeah but i love the idea so go for it 

 

~ ps if i lived near you that would be the new hangout spot for me

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Unfortunately you can't just say "Kids can come in, just not to the bar."  There are some laws that need to be taken into account.  If you've ever been to a bar, you know that anyone under the age of 21 is not even allowed to enter/stay.  You'd probably need 2 separate buildings or 2 different storefronts in the same building at least.  You can't just say "Games in this room, booze in that room".  If you market it as a bar and get your liquor license as a bar, don't expect to be able to allow anyone under 21.

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Unfortunately you can't just say "Kids can come in, just not to the bar." There are some laws that need to be taken into account. If you've ever been to a bar, you know that anyone under the age of 21 is not even allowed to enter/stay. You'd probably need 2 separate buildings or 2 different storefronts in the same building at least. You can't just say "Games in this room, booze in that room". If you market it as a bar and get your liquor license as a bar, don't expect to be able to allow anyone under 21.

True. Which is what we are duscussing.

In Michigan 18+ are allowed in bars with a wristband.

Seperate storefronts was an idea.

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True. Which is what we are duscussing.

In Michigan 18+ are allowed in bars with a wristband.

Seperate storefronts was an idea.

I am not sure what or how exactly the rules are, but the Soaring Eagle Casino, you have to be 21 to drink, but can gamble at 18, and can go in to see concerts or other events, and go to the arcade. They have several entrances, but kids aren't delegated to going into just one.

 

Same thing for Las Vegas, kids can be on the floor, they just can't gamble or drink.

 

So yeah, you can say that kids can come in, they just can't drink. That's how places like that work.

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I've been there more to see concerts than I have to gamble. (Wallflowers, Black Crowes and The Killers... I like terrible music okay?) I am not a fan of pissing away money with nothing to show for it, I'd rather piss away money on plastic and cardboard crack.

 

But I know way back when I was like 15-16, my parents gambled with my aunt and uncle, and my cousins, sister and I went in the arcade.

 

And I've been to Vegas three times, once when I was too young to gamble, once where I took a $60 cab ride to buy a $90 box of UFS cards I never touched after, and finally for my sister's wedding, where I visited the TOTALLY AWESOME Ross across the street from the Monte Carlo. And the two Walgreen's on the Strip of course.

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Unfortunately you can't just say "Kids can come in, just not to the bar."  There are some laws that need to be taken into account.  If you've ever been to a bar, you know that anyone under the age of 21 is not even allowed to enter/stay.  You'd probably need 2 separate buildings or 2 different storefronts in the same building at least.  You can't just say "Games in this room, booze in that room".  If you market it as a bar and get your liquor license as a bar, don't expect to be able to allow anyone under 21.

 

In my state (Mass), if you're selling more than just alcohol you can be whatever age.  Ever been in a restaurant?  Even my local Pubs serve food and non-alcoholic drinks...  Not sure when California got so restrictive...  This is really the only reason I brought up Dave and Busters.  I've seen kids there.  I can drink.  I can play videogames.

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I am not sure what or how exactly the rules are, but the Soaring Eagle Casino, you have to be 21 to drink, but can gamble at 18, and can go in to see concerts or other events, and go to the arcade. They have several entrances, but kids aren't delegated to going into just one.

 

Same thing for Las Vegas, kids can be on the floor, they just can't gamble or drink.

 

So yeah, you can say that kids can come in, they just can't drink. That's how places like that work.

 

I've been to Vegas several times, and that isn't true.  Kids can be in the hotel, but cannot be hanging around on the casino floor.  If you are under 18 (Gambling age) you must walk through the casino, no stopping.  If security finds you loitering on the actual casino floor they will escort you out of that area.  With Vegas it's all about specific boundaries.

 

In my state (Mass), if you're selling more than just alcohol you can be whatever age.  Ever been in a restaurant?  Even my local Pubs serve food and non-alcoholic drinks...  Not sure when California got so restrictive...  This is really the only reason I brought up Dave and Busters.  I've seen kids there.  I can drink.  I can play videogames.

 

Dave and Busters is an entirely different thing.  Regardless of the arcade, they are a Restaurant that serves alcohol.  I mean, heck, even Chuck E Cheese serves beer.  Totally different animal.  If you are lisenced as a BAR, even one that has a small food menu, there are far more restrictions, in any state really.  If you are lisenced as a restaurant, there are specific laws regulating alcohol in restaurants, but there really isn't any precedent for a "Game shop that sells alcohol on the side".  You wouldn't be subject to the same laws as a restaurant, because like it or not, the gaming industry heavily caters to underage audiences.  Hence why you would have to have ONE storefront be the bar and ONE storefront be the game shop.  If you are lisenced as a Bar, you can't have underage players loitering to play games.  It would have to be at least 18+ in the bar(based on local laws).

 

 

Now, aside from warnings about underage patrons, here's my other advice.  If you want to start this business, learn about it.  Take business classes.  You don't have to get an MBA or anything, but just saying "I have money and want to open this business" is a recipe for disaster.  If you really want it to succeed, learn the business end of things.  Tax law, shipping and receiving, purchasing, accounting.  Don't go into it thinking you can do this just because you love gaming.  A game store is a business.  I've worked in plenty of them and seen plenty of them fail because the owner just wanted to open one to further their passion with NO idea how to work the books.  Particularly in this industry because gaming is volatile.  You can be up 30% one week and in the red 10% the next.  It's the nature of the beast.  Many people are just going to want to come in, use the tables and not spend a dime.  Others will come in, preorder a case of Magic, pick it up then you won't ever see them again.  Know what you're doing and know when to spend and when not to.

 

As for the Bar side, DEFINITELY do your homework.  There are so many taxes and fees and lisences and regulations, you step out of line once you'll lose half your profit for a month.  And pairing it with a business that attracts underage customers?  Keep your bartenders on a short leash.  One guy slips a 20yo buddy of his a drink under the table, or forgets to card someone you are looking at criminal proceedings.  I know it's common sense, but common sense and alcohol don't mix.

 

yeah, I'm overly cautious but when you invest your own money and put your own reputation and livelyhood on the line, don't go into it on a whim because you think it will be cool.  You need to know what you're up against.

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Thanks Stryyder for taking the time to type up an informative post. I agree wuth you 100% abiut these points abd understand that a lot of my clients will be underage. As much as its a good idea im finding it not in my best interest. I want to work on it but maybe to gain experience and how it works ill start a small hobbie shop that just does fun events everyday for my customers. Even cator family game nights.

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