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So with Force of Will being largely fucked over by incompetent development staff and having to fire their English Manager/Translator recently, FoWCo are releasing two new games. Both reuse quite a bit of terminology from Force of Will. Family of games I guess? Company flair?

Casters Chronicles is a loli game for weaboos, I am not kidding, which rips off Duel Masters, because what doesn't these days >_>. It's quirk is it has a Vanguard, for some reason. You level it up to boot. Gives 'Ride the Vanguard' a whole new meaning...

Architect is YGO, Magic, UFS and Hearthstone's Scifi love child. Using actual people. The game has Elvis. Basically YGO with Magic's health system and the threshold system of Hearthstone, except you play cards like Mana and those cards operate like UFS's Foundations x YGO's Trap Cards. All you really need to know is it's YGO with Mana and a scifi bent.

Architect is most certainly the more interesting of the two games and the idea of a potentially balanced YGO has me interested. Casters and Architect are not handled by FoW's dumbass developers, so there is hope there, but FoWco are money grubbers at heart, so the game might be pricey or end up that way after sales pick up.

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This is one way to look at these. Heres another lol. Casters are NOT vanguards but instead the main resource of the game. From what i gather you have a team of casters.. you can only have one caster of one name in play, you however can level it up to have said caster gen more "energy" to summon your "Servants" that attack and defend. Architect is an interesting one and honestly dont know what to expect from it. As for FOW itself once they came officially to the USA they let the p[layers change the game so much that id have to say the PLAYER base killed the game. The first move was to remove life break? Taking away the comeback mechanic to make it more of a winner is winning game really broke what the game was at its core. Too bad really but you have to cater to your players these days otherwise the game wont last long... even in hindsight lol

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14 hours ago, Artificial Human said:

Casters Chronicles is a loli game for weaboos, I am not kidding

I do hope that's not a direction they go too far into. I didn't mind FoW at all. A bit watered down for my taste but it wasn't the worst game and I do like Anime art and the fact they use fairy tale characters. My problem with the art was the focus on some of them in the loli sense. Unfortunately, this drew out a certain demographic in our area and shops had to start tossing people out due to "un-welcomed" behavior in both how they openly fawned over certain "young" characters and how they addressed younger players. It was like they used the game as permission. It creeped a lot of people out, especially parents trying to bring their kids into the nerd scene.

And before anyone asks... unfortunately, there is a concentration of offenders in my area. There are a lot of factory jobs for them to have where they don't have to deal with people, so they can get those jobs and make money. Not saying that factory workers are bad, but having a lot of available places willing to hire them is why they flock to where I'm at. 

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9 hours ago, Majin Goo said:

I do hope that's not a direction they go too far into. I didn't mind FoW at all. A bit watered down for my taste but it wasn't the worst game and I do like Anime art and the fact they use fairy tale characters. My problem with the art was the focus on some of them in the loli sense. Unfortunately, this drew out a certain demographic in our area and shops had to start tossing people out due to "un-welcomed" behavior in both how they openly fawned over certain "young" characters and how they addressed younger players. It was like they used the game as permission. It creeped a lot of people out, especially parents trying to bring their kids into the nerd scene.

And before anyone asks... unfortunately, there is a concentration of offenders in my area. There are a lot of factory jobs for them to have where they don't have to deal with people, so they can get those jobs and make money. Not saying that factory workers are bad, but having a lot of available places willing to hire them is why they flock to where I'm at. 

yikes man sorry to hear that. Its sad but true, I enjoy the anime art astyle as well but id have to say quite a few of the FOW images were pushing if not over the "boundaries" the Bluse Cat card comes to mind (though i fget it name atm)

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6 hours ago, ImDoneItsOver said:

yikes man sorry to hear that. Its sad but true, I enjoy the anime art astyle as well but id have to say quite a few of the FOW images were pushing if not over the "boundaries" the Bluse Cat card comes to mind (though i fget it name atm)

It sells unfortunately. You might be thinking of the Cheshire Cat. It had a misprint without leggings as well and got more popular when people realized it might actually be a boy. It actually was one of the best cards but I can't help think it's price point had a lot to do with the theme of the art. 

The problem has normalized so it's not going away. I was looking through the Funimation app for something to watch, found out "Fan-service" is an official genre now. Thankfully, there are plenty of developers out there willing to make product with the Anime theme without pushing the boundaries on child like characters. 

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>_>

My friend doesn't know about this forum, so I guess it's safe to post here. He fits in this topic. He doesn't act inappropriately with people or the like, but he acts really creepy over young female characters. I very much doubt he'd do anything, but it put a huge rift in our tiny play group, as my best mate couldn't help but find it so creepy, he openly mocked him for it. Coupled with me having a melt down due to FoW's garbage tier developers and personal reasons as well as my friend being highly defensive of the mothership until he personally was burned, it basically split the group. Did I mention he exclusively plays females and hype decks? Even today he's the butt of a lot of my best mate's jokes. I don't think the person in question is dangerous or bad, he does seem to understand it's inappropriate, he just always does it. He's got Casters product on preorder, because of course he does.

However, I don't blame FoW alone. This is a JTCG problem. Vanguard has it bad with Bermuda Triangle. Real bad. Always attracted people that fit this niche. Then we have YGO and it's fandom fawning over DMG.

If I were to make a TCG, I'd be scared of female characters, only because I don't want this problem and them screeching for their fan service. I'm not against sexuality or anything of the like, just I wouldn't want to have to both deal with that type of person and have them give a bad impression of the type of people who play my game.

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1 hour ago, Artificial Human said:

>_>

My friend doesn't know about this forum, so I guess it's safe to post here. He fits in this topic. He doesn't act inappropriately with people or the like, but he acts really creepy over young female characters. I very much doubt he'd do anything, but it put a huge rift in our tiny play group, as my best mate couldn't help but find it so creepy, he openly mocked him for it. Coupled with me having a melt down due to FoW's garbage tier developers and personal reasons as well as my friend being highly defensive of the mothership until he personally was burned, it basically split the group. Did I mention he exclusively plays females and hype decks? Even today he's the butt of a lot of my best mate's jokes. I don't think the person in question is dangerous or bad, he does seem to understand it's inappropriate, he just always does it. He's got Casters product on preorder, because of course he does.

However, I don't blame FoW alone. This is a JTCG problem. Vanguard has it bad with Bermuda Triangle. Real bad. Always attracted people that fit this niche. Then we have YGO and it's fandom fawning over DMG.

If I were to make a TCG, I'd be scared of female characters, only because I don't want this problem and them screeching for their fan service. I'm not against sexuality or anything of the like, just I wouldn't want to have to both deal with that type of person and have them give a bad impression of the type of people who play my game.

It's to the point that it's expected of JTCG's. I have that "call out problem". I have no problem calling someone out openly for their creep. I tried a while back to find a MLP play group, hoping to find parents with their young kids that play together. What I found was grown bronies that were... beyond creepy. After getting a talking too about respecting other's views from a store owner for threatening to kill one because he asked about what age my daughter would start puberty I gave up. There is however, a MLP Table Top RPG I plan on buying and hopefully, I can do something with the local shop to bring in like minded parents and DM for the kids in a safe environment.

Thankfully, that store owner ran herself into debt and had to sell the store. I still don't shop their now because their selection is MtG, MtG, MtG, and DnD with MtG. I found a store that does everything and the store owner has a parent mentality and is right there with me in dealing with creeps and elitist assholes that get in your face. 

There's also a kick ass Veteran ran Archery Club next door with a door in the store that goes there. We've always got muscle. 

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2 hours ago, Artificial Human said:

However, I don't blame FoW alone. This is a JTCG problem. Vanguard has it bad with Bermuda Triangle. Real bad. Always attracted people that fit this niche. Then we have YGO and it's fandom fawning over DMG.

This is actually a really serious problem I had for awhile with running an online Vanguard team (and still do, to a much more limited extent). We had several players who started off liking Bermuda's mechanics (well, "started off"), and that was fine. Then it got to the point of them going to fucking tournaments with mats depicting lolis in lingerie, and shit got REALLY out of hand. I pretty much booted all but one of them from my team tbh, and the last one is someone who several members of the team are attached to, so unless he slips up, I'm limited in my actions. That said, I do have a strong history of booting him from the team chat whenever he posts something creepy, or nasty.

That said, I agree with you in not having an issue with sexuality. For me, it's a matter of atmosphere and appropriateness. It's hilarious to me that people like my team mate can show up to these events with basically porn, screech at everything that is remotely female, and then rave on about how women don't like card games. I wonder what gave you that impression, mate? |:
 

58 minutes ago, Majin Goo said:

I found a store that does everything and the store owner has a parent mentality and is right there with me in dealing with creeps and elitist assholes that get in your face.

That actually sounds really wonderful. If there's something I've always felt card games needed, it was a more balanced environment that was actually welcoming.
Keep everyone lit up on how it goes.

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2 hours ago, Denithan said:

That actually sounds really wonderful. If there's something I've always felt card games needed, it was a more balanced environment that was actually welcoming.
Keep everyone lit up on how it goes.

It's a rare thing to find a shop owner that stands against the status quo. The last time I saw it was when the majority of stores in my area banned the Yugioh events due to high levels of theft and toxicity. I know, Yugioh players get tired of hearing it, but in some places they really are out of control. They're just now rebuilding but clear guidelines have been laid for them.

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6 hours ago, Majin Goo said:

It's to the point that it's expected of JTCG's. I have that "call out problem". I have no problem calling someone out openly for their creep. I tried a while back to find a MLP play group, hoping to find parents with their young kids that play together. What I found was grown bronies that were... beyond creepy. After getting a talking too about respecting other's views from a store owner for threatening to kill one because he asked about what age my daughter would start puberty I gave up. There is however, a MLP Table Top RPG I plan on buying and hopefully, I can do something with the local shop to bring in like minded parents and DM for the kids in a safe environment.

Dude. Words escape me. How the fuck does praying a child, in front of their father, constitute as a 'view'? It's disgusting behavior and the fact she basically defended this degenerate, in my eyes, makes her just as bad, if not worse. Fuck these people.

 

5 hours ago, Denithan said:

That said, I agree with you in not having an issue with sexuality. For me, it's a matter of atmosphere and appropriateness. It's hilarious to me that people like my team mate can show up to these events with basically porn, screech at everything that is remotely female, and then rave on about how women don't like card games. I wonder what gave you that impression, mate? |:

I know, right?

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11 hours ago, Artificial Human said:

Dude. Words escape me. How the fuck does praying a child, in front of their father, constitute as a 'view'? It's disgusting behavior and the fact she basically defended this degenerate, in my eyes, makes her just as bad, if not worse. Fuck these people.

I live in an area where the concept of, "feelings are more important than reality and morals and ethics are subjective and everyone's own view should be respected and societal ethics is oppressive" has taken hold. Obviously, ethics can't be entirely subjective or what's the point, but a lot of the people who played the hobby scene in my area were... immature. A lot of adults who are still functionally teenagers and tween. Thankfully, it's slowly going in the other direction as the focus is shifting to board games, LCG’s, Table Top RPG’s, and miniatures. These games require a larger social investment which seems to curve the attitude.

I also think the creeps started affecting the store's bottom lines. I’ve branded our gaming area and I put a lot of effort in community building and involvement in our area. When you have to be a part of the community to participate, it's harder to be a jackass and survive. 

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Damn that is really unfortunate to hear. Being a convention goer/cosplayer I know EXACTLY what you guys are talking about. There have been times where myself or my gf and I have stayed with a friend of ours in our group longer than usual because of creeps and one time even walked a friend to her car because some creep had been basically stalking her the whole event. It is a big problem in the nerd (especially anime) scene and I can only hope it gets better.

On a happier note, that Architect game sounds interesting! If I can have Abraham Lincoln fighting Moses or some shit that sounds AWESOME lol I am TOTALLY down for "Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny: The Game" xD

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If Force of Will TCG had any chance of making a comeback it would've been through cashing in on the success of MTG's EDH/Commander format. It'd be hard to pull off due to the game's card pool not having enough cards to support a 79 card singleton format If you exclude both the J/ruler and Magic Stone Deck in regards to deck construction with Attribute identity. Dealing 21k or more to your opponents after you J-Activated could've been feasible with the J-Activation costs being akin to the Commander tax.

While it's a shame the idea never took off, it probably would've hurt MTG in the long run which managed to capitalize on the success of EDH/Commander in order to stay afloat with Standard, Modern, and Legacy becoming too expensive to keep up with. Then again I don't think Sheldon Menery would've been pleased with another company plagiarizing a format that he created on his own before Wizards of the Coast caught wind of it's success. Not to mention the EDH Rules Committee would've had a better handling than Force of Will Company.

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On ‎10‎/‎14‎/‎2017 at 3:32 PM, Artificial Human said:

However, I don't blame FoW alone. This is a JTCG problem. Vanguard has it bad with Bermuda Triangle. Real bad. Always attracted people that fit this niche. Then we have YGO and it's fandom fawning over DMG.

The strangest for me is when it started to slip into Pokémon starting in the B&W era.  It could have been because they went from 10-12 year old trainers to teenage trainers.  The average age of the trainers have been up since then and some of the full art supporter card females were pretty suggestive, particularly Skyla(particularly the reprint), Bridget, there were even some of the older female players going gaga over the full art Prof Sycamore.

That's not even counting some of the official sleeves that took some of this even FURTHER. (Skyla sleeves, wtf)

 

As for the games themselves, I don't see them lasting more than a year or two at the most.  We've got 3 newer games that tried to make it in the mainstream this year and only one is really catching on in any sense.  MetaX is slowly fading away and I don't think Dragoborne ever had a chance outside the die-hard bushi crowd.  Trying to release 2 at once just smacks of "Let's throw everything against the wall and see if anything sticks"

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